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Offline moedeb27

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Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
« on: 15 January, 2017, 00:12:32 am »
Please be aware that some players are using an exploit of the game and placing turrets under the ground which allows the turret to ignore the ground and fire at people through it.

This is the equivalent of cheating and most certainly is NOT in the spirit in which we have on Venatus - please remove those bases / turrets ASAP. If you do not remove them the Admins will be removing them for you along with any base attached and all its contents.

If you are found to be doing this again you will receive a permanent ban - we do not allow cheats on Venatus.

Please play within the rules and spirit of the game and enjoy the Venatus server along with everyone else.

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Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
« Reply #1 on: 16 January, 2017, 10:00:50 am »
Just curious if this affects placing turrets under / inside bases to stop people mining into a base?

Cheers

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Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
« Reply #2 on: 16 January, 2017, 13:09:33 pm »
If the turret is surrounded by base walls then it is fine, the issue occurs when a tunnel is dig and the turret is left sitting in the middle of it without any out walls or blocks around it.

Turrets can see walls/blocks and won't shoot through them.

So yes you can have turrets inside your underground/aboveground base, just make sure it has got walls around it.
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Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
« Reply #3 on: 18 January, 2017, 13:43:11 pm »
Cheers for the clarification Psycho!

BTW, I've asked moe previously but would like to share with others and make sure all the admins agree:

1. What about regular player sentries protecting a tunnel sitting on top of a block and clearly in sight?
2. What are some other methods we can protect a base externally (read: outside of the base walls)?

Thanks guys!

L

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Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
« Reply #4 on: 18 January, 2017, 17:53:05 pm »
BTW, I've asked moe previously but would like to share with others and make sure all the admins agree:

1. What about regular player sentries protecting a tunnel sitting on top of a block and clearly in sight?
2. What are some other methods we can protect a base externally (read: outside of the base walls)?

Well, in PvE you don't need to protect your base at all once the drone base has been destroyed. No more drones will ever appear (much to my dissatisfaction!). In PvP, you can pretty well do whatever you want, so long as the base can be neutralised, and turrets are not 'under the level of the ground'. Now, if you plant a turret and are happy with its location but it is half hidden, or almost all hidden - just dig around it to expose it to the air, then you're all good.

The turrets are not supposed to be able to shoot THROUGH something. So if a turret is underground, it can shoot you if you are behind a mountain because in theory it is already underground and therefore not shooting THROUGH the ground ...... If you were to dig out around that very turret and expose it to the air, then it would no longer be able to shoot through the mountain because it will see the surface of the mountain as a barrier. Hopefully this makes sense!

Andy.
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Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
« Reply #5 on: 18 January, 2017, 21:27:04 pm »
Well, in PvE you don't need to protect your base at all once the drone base has been destroyed. No more drones will ever appear (much to my dissatisfaction!). In PvP, you can pretty well do whatever you want, so long as the base can be neutralised, and turrets are not 'under the level of the ground'. Now, if you plant a turret and are happy with its location but it is half hidden, or almost all hidden - just dig around it to expose it to the air, then you're all good.

The turrets are not supposed to be able to shoot THROUGH something. So if a turret is underground, it can shoot you if you are behind a mountain because in theory it is already underground and therefore not shooting THROUGH the ground ...... If you were to dig out around that very turret and expose it to the air, then it would no longer be able to shoot through the mountain because it will see the surface of the mountain as a barrier. Hopefully this makes sense!

Andy.

The turrets of mine that brought all this to light, were exposed to air inside a dug out tunnel, and they were still removed. I have tested it extensively over the past few days on my test server and you are correct, if they are exposed to air, they will not shoot through the ground.

So now the question must be asked, since Andy has confirmed my testing, why were my fortifications removed by an admin when they were not glitching through anything? One of them was placed inside a tunnel that someone else attempting to attack the base had dug, as a bit of a surprise when they went back to the tunnel. They were also completely able to be destroyed using several methods. I designed them that way. So why were they removed?

So lets say I hollow out a mountain, all the way to the lava. I'm permitted to build an underground cave full of turrets, with the cores buried in the lava as long as the turrets themselves can be destroyed, and are exposed to air?

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Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
« Reply #6 on: 18 January, 2017, 22:15:40 pm »
So lets say I hollow out a mountain, all the way to the lava. I'm permitted to build an underground cave full of turrets, with the cores buried in the lava as long as the turrets themselves can be destroyed, and are exposed to air?

To make it crystal clear if the core or any of the other key components (fuel tanks, generator) are placed into any position that is actually impossible for another player to destroy then they are illegal.

You can protect them as much as you like, but with persistence and luck another player must be able to get to it to destroy it or take it over.

If the core cannot be removed then no other player can access constructors or cargo boxes, which gives the owner an unfair advantage.

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Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
« Reply #7 on: 19 January, 2017, 05:12:42 am »
So yes you can have turrets inside your underground/aboveground base, just make sure it has got walls around it.

If you were to dig out around that very turret and expose it to the air, then it would no longer be able to shoot through the mountain because it will see the surface of the mountain as a barrier.

I am so confused right now. We can dig around the turrets as long as they have walls?

Can we please get an updated top post explaining the glitch and what we can do to avoid it.

To make it crystal clear if the core or any of the other key components (fuel tanks, generator) are placed into any position that is actually impossible for another player to destroy then they are illegal.

You can protect them as much as you like, but with persistence and luck another player must be able to get to it to destroy it or take it over.

If the core cannot be removed then no other player can access constructors or cargo boxes, which gives the owner an unfair advantage.

Thank you for clarification. Seems to be some miscommunication, since Moe is saying you cannot place the cores in invulnerable positions , but Andy stated on another thread "It's pvp do what you want, As long as the base can be neutralized". Which is interpreted as "as long as the weapon systems can be destroyed, do what you want". Apologies for dragging this crap out, but I just want to be clear.

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